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Topic: Stream video to your Expo over a LAN, 3G & internet <<UPDATE 2: June 30, 2010>>  (Read 1861 times)
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« on: June 16, 2010, 11:08:45 PM »

Here is a quick tutorial on how to stream video and music to your expo with readily available freeware software with very reasonable results.

Difficulty Level: Medium (requires some experience on port forwarding settings)

Required software:

For your PC host computer (i.e. the computer you want to stream from) you need vlc media player. If you dont have it already get it. It rocks.

For your expo you need:
- tcpmp media player. If you dont have it already get it (can be found by googling tcpmp I usually find it works better when you install to device) instead of sd card. It too rocks.
- Total commander (can be found here http://www.ghisler.com/pocketpc.htm
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The following is a guide for streaming over a LAN (local area network) and internet. Option 1 allows you to stream over LAN and internet. Option 2 is LAN only. Option 2 provides the better streaming experience and should be used when on your LAN.

OPTION 1

ON YOUR HOST PC (NOT YOUR EXPO)

1) Find your ip address go to Start\Run and type ipconfig. Want you want to find are your local ip and public address. Local ip addresses usually start with the folowing 192.168.x.x with the x's variable depending on the type of router you are using.

2) Access your router to enable port forwarding for your host pc on your home network. The procedure varies from router to router so I recommend you do a google search to find out how to setup port forwarding for your router. You want to enable port 8080 (start and end) and forward to your host pc's local ip number (the 192.168.x.x number you got from step 1)

This only needs to be done if you plan to stream to your expo when you are off the network and creates a potential security risk. You should disable port forwarding on 8080 when you are finsihed your session. Depending on your router diabling of ports can be done remotely using a remote desktoping tool.

3) Open vlc media player

4) click on the file menu and go to streaming

5) from the open dialog box go the file tab (it should be at this tab by default when the dialog box pops up)

6) pick the file you want to stream and press the small down arrow to the left of the stream button at the bottom. Pick the stream option (alternatively press alt + s)

7) in the oututs tab pick http leave the address section blank and make sure that the port is set to 8080. If it isnt change it to 8080 (it shoul be set at 8080 by default)

8) on the same page go to the profile section below and pick the encapsulation tab. in the drop down menu to the upper right of the profile secction pick Windows (wmv/asf) format. Press the stream button.

TIPS/TRICKS:

-While on the same wifi or LAN network try UDP streaming instead of HTTP streaming

- Go to tools preferences in VLC. At the bottom there should be a radio buttons which say "simple" and "all". Click "all". Go the "stream output" settings and do the following:

check "keep stream output open"
change "stream output muxer cache" to greater than 5000ms I have mine at 9000ms

- If you have Coreplayer try changing the encapsulation to H264 while streaming. Video quality is significantly better at lower bitrates. At the moment i stream with a video bitrate of about 450 kb/s

- Using coreplayer and h264 streaming with the above settings I get very reasonable results over 3g network speeds. On wifi I increase the video bitrate to get better quality.

- once you have remote desktop setup to access your host remotely from your expo it is failry easy to setup and start streaming.

- With the exception of coreplayer which is well worth the asking price, everything above is free and you do not have a third party program such as orb installed on your pc/mac/linux.


ON YOUR EXPO

9) open tcpmp

10) Go to file/open file

11) type in the following in the dialog box at the top http://yourlocalip:8080 (where yourlocalip is the 192.168.x.x address from step 1) and press go

12) wait a second or two for it to buffer and then relax and enjoy.

If it isnt working make sure you have allowed firewall access for port 8080.

You can set this up to work off your LAN by using your public ip address instead of your local ip (make sure you have set up port forwarding on your router as in Step 2). What I have done in the past is accessed my computer using remote desktop to setup up the stream and then logged off and accessed the stream using tcpmp.

You can setup vlc up with a HTTP interface to enable streaming but this is a topic for a more advanced tutorial.

OPTION 2 LAN Access only

1) Open total commander on your expo.

2) Double press \\Plugins at the top of the list

3) double press LAN

4) double press _Quick open

5) your server name will be your coumpturs NETBIOS name.

This can be found on xp pcs by right clicking my computer clicking properties. Go to computer name and click change. On the next page click more. There is a field called net BIOS name (it is usually capital letters of your host computers name).

6) Once you have entered your server name it should connect to your LAN. double click on a video file and you will begin streaming automatically.

7) an important thing to remember is that you may have a number of folders shared but in total commander you will only be able to access folders with names that are less than 16 characters. If your video files are in a directory that in a folder with a name larger than 15 character create a new shared folder with a name 15 characters or less and move your video files into them.

8) Because you dont need to encode the file on the host computer this option is smoother and better quality than option 1. However, you will not be able to do it when you are not on your LAN.

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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2010, 11:44:59 PM »

Nice tut, have a cookie.
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2010, 07:59:59 AM »

Agreed, Nice Tut and work on this.

I really love this community, very friendly an helpful.

You rock! Wink

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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2010, 10:59:26 AM »

You can also stream files using TotalCommander, in the LAN section of the plugins folder. I've set up a connection to my network attached storage device, so I can view all of my media through any local player. Shared folders on a PC can be accessed in the same manner.
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2010, 11:05:18 AM »

Vrock,

Thats a great idea... What is the quality like?

With VLC you can encode for any bitrate depending on the level of bandwidth you have available. Is this possible with total commander?

Thanks for the kudos VG and WR
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2010, 11:59:09 AM »

Vrock,

Thats a great idea... What is the quality like?

With VLC you can encode for any bitrate depending on the level of bandwidth you have available. Is this possible with total commander?

Quality is excellent. I just benchmarked a video ripped from a DVD at maximum bitrate (2.9Mbps), and TCPMP ran it at 141% over the network, or about 4.1Mbps. There is no way, however, to throttle the bitrate other than by re-encoding the source files.

As a sidenote, Resco File Explorer has an option which unlocks a network folder in all other programs, and allows you to map a drive to this folder as well. The end result is that you don't need a file explorer at all to access your media; instead, your files simply show up as native in your media player of choice.
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2010, 12:26:49 PM »

Vrock could you write a quick tutorial on how to stream and access media files using total commander to add to this thread?

It would be nice to have everything in one place for people.
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2010, 12:31:16 PM »

Vrock could you write a quick tutorial on how to stream and access media files using total commander to add to this thread?

It would be nice to have everything in one place for people.

It's actually Evrock Smiley

And yes, I sure can.
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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2010, 02:09:47 PM »

Has anyone found, or tried to find, a decent way to stream content uploaded to online cloud file storage?
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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2010, 11:44:57 AM »

Thread updated as of today to include total commander as per The Kings posts.
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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2010, 03:48:35 PM »

Thread updated as of today to include total commander as per The Kings posts.

Thanks for doing this; I was halfway through writing my own when I ran into some network problems that I still need to rectify.

One more tip I'll add: For streaming content over the internet, using the Orb service is a bit more user friendly than VLC. An added bonus is that your entire library is always ready to stream, since the Orb server software runs as a background process on your PC. There's also a free placeshifting plug-in for Windows Media Center called WebGuide, though it's not compatible with Windows 7 machines.
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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2010, 09:29:28 PM »

I'm going to try this!

However, I have a sort of related question , and can't seem to find an answer using search (I tried!)

Tonight I was using the wonderful YouTube WinMo app to watch videos. But the messaging app kept coming up and interrupting the playback. I've been wondering how to disable this, as it happens all the time, but it's not nearly as annoying as when watching video.

As an experiment, I made sure all my email accounts were set to manual check. Also, my Hotmail (via Live) is set to check during limited times, so it shouldn't have been that. But I would still get the messaging app popping up.

Related to my question is my gMail account. Is there something special about setting up a gMail account on the Expo (which it recognized automatically as gMail from the domain)? Does gMail push messages? The reason I ask is, when I turn off WiFi, I get gMail, but no other accounts. On my previous WinMo 5 phone, turning off the WiFi radio was enough to prevent my email accounts from being checked (the only other way it would check is if I set it to MediaNet, which would incur massive data charges). So maybe the issue is gMail? (and should I be concerned about this behavior over 3G? still not clear on the difference between GPRS and 3G vis a vis data charges - should I be concerned about gMail checking over 3G and wasting data?)

Sorry for the long-winded question and possible derailing of the thread. It's relevant to uninterrupted video playback though.
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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2010, 12:45:02 AM »

ASK, just wrote an equally long winded response and was about to post when I realized that I may have been answering a question you weren't asking. So I'm gonna ask you a question instead. By "the messaging app kept coming up and interrupting the playback", do you mean you would all of a sudden be looking at the account picker, or did you mean a popup saying you have a new message?
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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2010, 08:13:55 AM »

Vanillagorilla, I think you have the correct drift here,..I'l take a short stab...

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As an experiment, I made sure all my email accounts were set to manual check. Also, my Hotmail (via Live) is set to check during limited times, so it shouldn't have been that. But I would still get the messaging app popping up.

Every time I use the Live app to poll, i get this, I removed Live, an set up my hotmail an live account through the phones email account set up, then re-install Live and do not let it sync email, just messenger.

Fyi, I have A Exchange server email, two hotmail accounts, an a few isp accounts on my phone, the second of them is set using Live, this issue pops up or if two of them are set to "As items arrive", it will happen.

So, my exchange is "As items arrive" rest of my accounts are polling at staggered interevals, example every 5 or 15 minutes, now no pop up.

Try it, see if that helps/.

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« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2010, 08:23:03 AM »

ASK, just wrote an equally long winded response and was about to post when I realized that I may have been answering a question you weren't asking. So I'm gonna ask you a question instead. By "the messaging app kept coming up and interrupting the playback", do you mean you would all of a sudden be looking at the account picker, or did you mean a popup saying you have a new message?

Not quite either: a seemingly random email account takes the focus. Not the picker. Even weirder is the fact that are often no new messages in ANY account when it happens. Forgot to mention that.
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